Not as Holy as you thought.
I recently spoke with a good friend. I asked him what would prove to him that the Bible wasn’t real. He told me nothing. To people like this, they’ve closed their minds off to the possibility that they have been deceived. Once you open your mind to the idea that your religion MAY have been man-made (since you probably think every single other one was), it really starts the cracks in what is an already shaky foundation. For Christians, I want you to have a place to begin that journey of becoming truly informed. That journey should begin in the Bible. If you truly comprehend the Bible as it was written and intended, you will be an atheist before you put it down. Here are ten reasons why.
1. Jesus said he would return within the lifetime of some of those to whom he spoke. This did not occur.
“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near. Then He told them a parable: Behold the fig tree and all the trees; as soon as they put forth leaves, you see it and know for yourselves that summer is now near. So you also, when you see these things happening, recognize that the kingdom of God is near. Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all things take place.“ (Luke 21:27-32)
A near duplicate of this speech is found in several books of the Bible. In every speech, Jesus says that the present generation WILL NOT PASS AWAY until all things take place. Do you know what a generation is? About 60-70 years. He is 1950 years LATE.
Some Biblical interpreters will try to fool you into thinking Jesus meant something different by what he said, but the meaning is clear.
“Long ago, at many times and in many ways, God spoke to our fathers by the prophets, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son…” (Hebrews 1:1-2)
“The end of all things is near…” (1 Peter 4:7)
His followers believed he would return anytime. When the Bible says the end is near, it is comment during a time where we (are to believe we) are only 4,000 years old. It has been 2000 years SINCE then. That means HALF of the time recorded up until then would have to pass again and – if the world ended today – be considered “near.” That just isn’t the word.
2. God’s promise to make the Jewish descendants “numerous as the stars in the sky.” That would be over 100 quintillion Jews.
“I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed,” Genesis 26:4
There are over 100 quintillion stars in the “sky” which of course, is not where stars are. That is just the perspective of a prehistoric man writing what he imagined a god would say to him.
Again, I can see some saying “Well he only meant as numerous as the stars visible to the person he was speaking to,” but that isn’t what was said. It says as numerous as there are stars. Not stars you can see. I don’t think that’s a mistake The Almighty would make, when speaking.
3. The Bible can’t decide how you are “saved.” There are contradicting verses.
“For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works.” Ephesians 2:8-9
“Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.” James 2:24
How much more opposite does it get than this? Do you think this is a translator error or we possibly could be misinterpreting it? Of course not. Neither, by the way, makes sense if you think about it. But put them together? Hoax.
4. The Bible says no man has seen God. It also tells us that several men have seen God. Both can’t be true.
“No man hath seen God at any time.” John 1:18
“Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.” Exodus 33:20
but….
“For I have seen God face to face.” Genesis 32:30
“And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend.” Exodus 33:11
Check that out, Exodus couldn’t keep from fucking up within the same chapter! And by the way, don’t use the excuse that I drop language as a reason not to read this. That doesn’t matter to anyone, either. We just proved Exodus to be a hoax in this reason alone and if a single book of the Bible is fake, why would God cushion it between books that are real? Oh yeah. He wouldn’t!
5. The Bible gets numbers and figures wrong. How is a book with mistakes the Word of God?
1 Kings 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.
2 Chronicles 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.
This one is actually so blatant, newer versions of the Bible corrected the mistake! Now, what does that tell you in itself?
The Word of God wouldn’t have mistakes in it like this, folks.
6. Jesus references that he is God. He also makes references to being separate from God. Which is it?
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
So there, he IS God…but…
Luke 18:19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Wait, what? I thought you just said you were God?
Jesus actually references there being a separate God and Son of God in Heaven…
Mark 13:32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
“But” doesn’t mean the Son and the Father are the same. It means DIFFERENT. But no matter where you go, what you end up figuring out with this confusing shit is that no one really had a fucking clue what Jesus was and Jesus spoke so confusingly, they couldn’t get the story straight in their own books, much less when you put them together in one giant super book.
So let me ask you this simple question. Can John, Luke and Mark really all be right when they are saying different things? No. This either proves there wasn’t a clear direction from God on what to do and who to worship or it just shows that the Bible isn’t the Word of God, because again, it contradicts itself over and over.
7. The Bible says God made the Sun stand still to give Joshua’s army more daylight. The Sun doesn’t revolve around the Earth so this is stupid.
Relative to the Earth, the Sun is not moving. Sure, the Sun is moving a half a million miles per hour around the galaxy but our planet ORBITS the Sun. This, of course, was written in a time when man thought the Earth was the center of the UNIVERSE and man also thought the Sun and Moon revolved around our planet (that’s what it looks like from down here).
Joshua 10:12-13 Then spake Joshua to the Lord in the day when the Lord delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon. And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
See, we are specifically told that the command God issued was to halt the position of the Sun. Had he done that without halting the position of earth, our planet would have flown straight out of orbit and into cold, dead space. The Sun doesn’t move around Earth. Don’t be fucking stupid. This was clearly written and made-up by a primitive, uninformed man’s perspective – unless you actually believe the Creator would only reveal himself to uneducated cavemen but never modern man. HAHAHA, good one.
8. The Bible refers to the Earth as being flat. The Earth is round.
Here we go again with the Word of God saying something totally stupid and prehistoric.
Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?
Job thinks that God will grab hold of the Earth, like it is a rug, and shake the dust off of it.
Deuteronomy 14:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth.
There aren’t other ends of the Earth. No such thing.
Daniel 4:10-11 Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great. The tree grew, and was strong, and the height thereof reached unto heaven, and the sight thereof to the end of all the earth.
Well we can pretty much rule out the book of Daniel or any prophecies he came up with, here. He says he saw a tree that reached to heaven – which you could see to each end of the Earth. Earth doesn’t have ends and there is no midst, middle or center of the planet unless you’re talking about the molten core.
Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers.
A circle is a flat, two-dimensional object and there was a Hebrew word for ball or sphere. Once again, believing the Earth is flat.
9. The Bible says the Earth is stationary. The Earth is constantly moving.
Psalms 93:1 …the world also is established, that it cannot be moved.
1 Samuel 2:8 …for the pillars of the earth are the Lord’s, and he has set the world upon them.
Isaiah 24:18 …for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
1 Chronicles 16:30 Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.
Modern science has taught us otherwise and if you’re too dumb to believe that, we have astronauts on a space station with proof that can show you all 4 of these verses make no sense.
10. The Bible says Damascus, Egypt will be a ruinous heap. It is doing just fine.
Isaiah 17:1 The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap.
We’re clearly told that Damascus will be destroyed in the Book of Isaiah. Well, that hasn’t happened. We’re also told that the Nile will dry up, which hasn’t happened. And we’re told that the Canaanite Language will be spoken in Egypt and IT IS EXTINCT. So uh, another failed prophecy.
See, right here, we have a simple ten examples that should open any person’s eyes with concern, even if they still believe in God and Jesus and want to worship.
You should never feel bad for verifying someone’s story or account to you, especially when it sounds ridiculous. Remember how, in all of these instances, God spoke or appeared to directly influence alleged prophets into believing? Why should you or I not be afforded the same proof? Isn’t our human soul the same as Moses or Joshua? In fact, with modern mankind being far more intelligent, should we not be afforded MORE concrete proof than previous generations?
All of these questions clash with the Bible, because it is fictional. It is a made up book plagiarizing several other cultural ideas for deities that has been exploiting people for generations (far past that single generation Christ said he would return in). Quit looking at the sky for your answers and look in reality. I’m not saying you or I won’t have an afterlife or saying that God isn’t real – because I don’t know!
All I do know is that Bible is NOT real and it, by itself, should prove that to you.
If you enjoyed this, check out part 2!
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1. This site will explain it better than I can.
http://www.gotquestions.org/this-generation-not-pass.html
2. This is God telling Abraham that He will give him many descendants in terms he will understand. God also tells Abraham that his descendants will be as numerous as the sand on the seashore. It’s clearly just to show Abraham that he will have many descendants, not to say that you will have exactly that many.
3. This is actually a relatively common point of confusion. There are two parts, first, we are saved by God’s grace, not by anything that we do. But if we are truly accepting of God’s grace, we will perform works for God. This isn’t to say that we aren’t saved if we don’t do good works, only that if we aren’t doing works, we might need to examine the authenticity of our belief.
4. These speak of two different forms of God, physical, and spiritual. There are men who have seen God in physical form, (i.e. Jesus) but there aren’t men who have seen God’s spiritual glory.
5. I hadn’t heard of this before, so thank you for bringing it to light. As you likely know, 1st and 2nd Chronicles are repeats of the timelines in 1st and 2nd Kings. This has a possible explanation. http://www.kjvtoday.com/home/40000-or-4000-in-1-kings-426
6. This can also be a point of confusion. All three parts of The Trinity (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit) Are the same God, but three different parts or functions of the same God. To steal from Saint Patrick, The Trinity is like a clover. It has 3 leaves, but it’s still one plant. The leaves may seem different, but in reality they are all part of one.
7. You say that God issued a command telling the sun to stand still, but that’s not what the passage says. It says that Joshua asked God to make the sun stand still, (which is what it would appear like to him) and that God granted his request. This doesn’t mean that God doesn’t know what orbits what, only that the scribes wrote down what appeared to happen at the time. And before you say anything about planets spinning out of orbit or something crazy happening, keep in mind, this is God here. He made the laws of nature, He can certainly bend them to do whatever He wants. I would propose a counterexample. Job 26:7 says that the earth is suspended on nothing, and Job 26:10/Isaiah 40:21-22 both describe a circular earth. Both of these concepts were ahead of the time they were written in.
8. Oh, whadya know? Perfect timing. :P Here, this explains it well.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-c015.html
9. Basically, it’s a metaphor.
http://rkbentley.blogspot.com/2012/06/1-chronicles-1630-does-bible-say-earth.html
10. Have another link. :P
http://gracethrufaith.com/end-times-prophecy/failed-prophecies-of-the-bible/
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All you’re doing is taking what the Bible says and making it make sense with no context for that whatsoever. Sometimes, contradictions are just contradictions. You can’t put two together and say “They’re both right” when they’re the exact opposite. That’s just stupid.
If it is the perfect divine inspired word of God, why does it have so many mistakes in it or why is it written from the perspective of man? Is it man’s word or God’s word?
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I’m explaining why there isn’t a contradiction. in some cases by explaining what the context was. These things aren’t opposites, although they may seem to contradict if we do not understand the full picture.
(first off, I would argue that there are no mistakes) but it is written from the point of man because it was inspired by God, but written by man. So God showed the man something, and the man wrote it down.
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That 10 needs a few more zeroes…
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“For God is not the author of confusion”. Apparently he is, and if he’s not than the bible is contradictory. Either way, the whole thing is a sham.
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#1 Christ did return his death to the disciples. Now if you any of the parable of the fig tree you would that the shoots were set out in 1948, this is the generation that is being spoken of. Go study more
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Oh the ignorance,there were no Jews at this time. And it’s not to be taken literally #2
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How can you say the Bible isn’t to be taken literally and still tell me you believe in it? I’ve never understood this, especially from someone who wants to call me ignorant.
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“Chris did return his death to the disciples.” What the fuck does that mean? He returned HIS death? See, I can’t understand Christians most of the time because you just say shit that makes no sense and then puff your chest out like you’re proud of it. Go study English more. Grammar. Reading comprehension. Science. Anything.
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#3 justified= judged. We are judged by our works,but we are saved through grace. Your works could never garner enough grace (unmerited favor) to save you
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Look at what the verse says, dude. The opposite of each other. You can’t morph that into both and pretend like what you’re saying is Biblical, because it isn’t!
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#4 well you just showed your ignorance with your juvenile mouth, Jesus said if you’ve seen me you’ve seen the father. But no man could look upon the shikinah glory of God and live
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You just showed your mindset by caring about language, like a 4 year old. Who gives a FUCKING COCKSUCKING FUCK?
yeah you didn’t explain why Adam claimed to have seen God, how Moses did, etc etc. Just dodging facts!!!!
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#5. 2chron,would be correct,this is a copyist error of phonecian Hebrew letters and modern Hebrew letters,there are similarities
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LOL. So if there are errors in it, it isn’t the Holy inspired word of God? Also, where is your citation for this.
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I just read six,again you have showed your ignorance with your ignorant mouth,you are not a man ,but a mouse. You hate the things of God because it puts moral demands upon you.ps you will bow the knee in due time
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LOL!!! You’re a fool man
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you’re a blind fool .. fantasy beats reality to you and its sad .
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@The Bacon Dude: we should be fair. So,
for 2, 3, 6, 9, 10 ok.
1. don’t cherry pick your verses. Mt 16:28 “Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”
4. there is no way the verses in the Old Testament could have meant Jesus, since he wasn’t born at that point. And there is no clue regarding another divine physical body (but enough of the opposite).
5. that explanation is funny. I was inclined to accept a scribe error, but the way they tried to explain ignoring common sense just blew my mind.
7. So your argument is that since it’s about god, that is possible and more importantly, exactly what happened. You just ignore that whatever physical sollution you could imagine, would have leave a trace (in nature, in other cultures, eg), but there is none. So if I tell you that i believe that let’s say a man can breath 3 days in a fishes’ acid stomach contents, the only mentioning of god is enough proof? That is not how science and logic work :))
8. the circular earth was not ahead of time, since the earth is not a disc (like in those verses), but a sphere.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5F34CF577900491D . The Bible DOES imply a flat disc shaped Earth in all the books and verses since that was exactly what they (along with most of the other contemporary cultures around them) believed.
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First off, thank you for taking the time to reply with actual arguments.
1. and they did. they saw Him return from the grave, and ascend into heaven. There’s also Stephen, who, as he was dying, saw Jesus in His kingdom with God the father. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+7%3A54-8%3A2&version=CEV
4. Jesus certainly existed, even though He wasn’t “born” yet. gen 32:30 refers to a physical being (from the context) and it was either a physical version of God or an angel. it’s actually Exodus 33:11, and another link covers it better than I could. https://answersingenesis.org/who-is-god/face-to-face/
5. I don’t really have anything to respond to here, sorry.
7. I’m saying that an all-powerful God could do whatever He wanted with physics. He made them after all.
8. the original word used means sphere as well as just a flat circle, but even if it didn’t, this was referring to the horizon, and was not declaring the earth to be a flat circle. and even if that were wrong, the bible contains the words of people at that time accurately, whether or not the people themselves were correct in their thinking.
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1. I will repeat the most important part: “COMING in his kingdom”. What everybody would understand of this? It is very clear is about the second coming, and this is exactly how everyone would interpret this. The bible was not written for theologians, but for simple people so what it seems to say is exactly what is says and how is was thought. There is no clue about Stephen actually meeting Jesus when alive (especially when Jesus made that promise) and I could argue that if he would had met Jesus alive (before being stoned) it would have been mentioned. So he is definitely not a proof of Jesus keeping his promise.
4. so your argument is that when Abraham says he saw god, he didn’t actually see God, but only an incarnation. Or when in Exodus 33:7-11 in the shape of a cloud pillar (not physical body).
7. “The sun stood still and didn’t go down for about a whole day.” That is exactly what the text says. If you say that’s what “they thought”, where is the divine inspiration? This is not part of a dialogue, but description by the author. What Annoyed critic said (and I stay behind him) is such a scenario is absurd. Because even if God could had bended the laws of physics with no consequences, the desired result still wouldn’t had happened. And no other culture has this story. It’s simply fiction.
8. About the flat earth, the only verse is in Isaiah: [Huug] = circle, to encircle, to encompass, describe a circle, draw round, make a circle. The word for sphere was available ([vorein]) but not used. This is why EVERY translation says circle and not sphere. It’s a disc, which is what is described in genesis and what everybody else thought the shape was at that time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_cosmology
Nobody asks of the bible to mention rockets and computers, but if it DOES mention something, it shouldn’t be just plain wrong. And it doesn’t take a sattelite to calculate the size and shape of the earth. The ancient greeks did it in 240BC using only a meter and observing shadows, and amazingly accurate (>99%, by Erastothenes).
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You see, you keep claiming that “it was a metaphor”. There are about 2600 verses mentioning the heart in the bible as the center for thinking or emotions. It is not. And it was considered like that LITERALLY up until 1628. A few hundred verses mentioning the margins of the earth (including when jesus was looking at ALL the earth from a mountain, in the desert, with satan). It was not considered a metaphor by anyone. And this expression kept on (because of the bible).
You need to be honest, what do you understand when you are reading? What would had them understood? And in this light, the book is wrong. Just like any other ancient book. The creation of humans.
PS: I was a preacher, studied theology. Honesty is when you go from facts to conclusion, not from conclusion searching for facts. Really honestly studying the bible is the best method of becoming unreligios (or even atheist).
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1. At the point that Jesus was having this conversation, His disciples didn’t know there would be a second coming. They thought that this was His only coming, and that He would save them from the Romans. He was telling them that they would watch Him fulfill His purpose on this earth. They would have understood that to mean that they would watch Him beat up the Romans. So already, what they “perceived” it to be is already wrong. Another possible explanation is that Jesus was referring to the coming of the holy spirit in this instance.
4. I’m saying that Abraham didn’t see the full glory of God, only a “representation” if you will. With regards to the cloud/fire, it is still only a representation of God for the Israelites.
7. I’m not saying that the people “thought” that the sun stayed up longer than it should have, I’m saying that a creator of the laws of physics can change those same laws of physics. If He can bend physics to His will, I guarantee that He can reach His desired purpose. I understand that this seems unlikely to someone with a naturalistic perspective, but we are looking at what is provably wrong, or contradictory. I am saying that this event is neither provably wrong, nor contradictory.
8. I’ve done more research, and have found out that 1, “chuug” is generally used as a flat circle. 2, there were better words to use to represent a sphere. 3, using the original language, this verse is saying that God sits above the earth (space) and looks down on it from above, as a circle. A circle is exactly what we would see if we were looking down at the earth from space. Again, this is neither provably wrong, nor contradictory.
Bonus: We still use the heart as a metaphorical center for thoughts and emotions today. Why then should we assume that the Bible assumes it to be literal? Same with the ends of the earth, you say that it was understood by everyone to be literal, but what knowledge do you have of what was taken literally at that point in time?
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I just found this website on facebook, I am loving it. your arguments against religion strike at their core. thanks for the time you spend writing these things.
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Thanks for the nice comment. Hope you’ll return for more
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